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<br>                                    Doc No:   SC22/WG21/N1409
<br>                                              J16/02-0067
<br>                                    Date:     November 1, 2002
<br>                                    Project:  JTC1.22.32
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<br>                                    Reply to: Robert Klarer
<br>                                              IBM Canada, Ltd.
<br>                                              klarer@ca.ibm.com
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<h1>
Minutes of ISO WG21 Meeting, October 20, 2002
</h1>

<h2>
1. Opening and introductions
</h2>
Sutter convened the meeting at 18:11 PST on October 20, 2002.  There were 7 countries represented.

<h3>
1.1 Welcome from host
</h3>
Tana Plauger and Barry Hedquist welcomed the Working Group to Santa Cruz and discussed meeting arrangements for the week.

<h3>
1.2 Roll call of technical experts
</h3>

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<br>Attendance:
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<br>Name                  Country             HOD?
<br>----                  -------             ----
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<br>Steve Adamczyk        USA                 No
<br>Matt Austern          US                  No
<br>Steve Clamage         USA                 Yes
<br>Gabriel Dos Reis      France              Yes
<br>Francis Glassborow    UK                  No
<br>Lois Goldthwaite      UK                  No
<br>Robert Klarer         Canada              Yes
<br>Andrew Koenig         USA                 No
<br>Ichiro Koshida        Japan               Yes
<br>Jan Kristoffersen     Denmark             Yes
<br>Tana Plauger          USA                 No
<br>Tom Plum              USA                 (Convenor Emeritus)
<br>Bill Seymour          USA                 No
<br>Herb Sutter                               (Convenor)
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<h3>
1.3 Select meeting chair
</h3>
Sutter was selected by unanimous consent

<h3>
1.4 Select meeting secretary
</h3>
Klarer was selected by unanimous consent

<h3>
1.5 Select language
</h3>
English was selected

<h3>
1.6 Adopt agenda
</h3>
Koenig requested discussion of scheduling of technical sessions.  In particular, Koenig wanted to know whether there were one or two technical sessions scheduled for Tuesday night.  Koenig's concern was that there was insufficient time for two technical sessions on the same night.  Tana Plauger indicated that P. J. Plauger's session would be brief, and that there would be plenty of time for both sessions.
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Adamczyk asked about scheduling discussion of the move semantics extension proposals.  It was agreed that this would be resolved Monday.
<p>
The agenda was adopted as written.

<h3>
1.7 Select drafting committee
</h3>
Austern, Goldthwaite, Dos Reis, and Adamczyk were named to the drafting committee.

<h3>
1.8 Approve minutes from previous meeting
</h3>
The minutes of the previous meeting were approved by unanimous consent.

<h3>
1.9 Review action items from previous meeting
</h3>
None.

<h3>
1.10 Recognize documents
</h3>
No documents were recognized.

<h2>
2. Status, liaison and action item reports
</h2>

<h3>
2.1 Small group status reports
</h3>

<h3>
2.2 Liaison Reports
</h3>

<h4>
2.2.1 SC22 report
</h4>
Plum described the recent SC22 resolutions that can be located as follows:
<ul>
<li>   go to http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc/sc22/open</li>
<li>   then look for N3489.pdf</li>
</ul>
Plum noted that Herb Sutter was confirmed as convenor of WG21
<p>
Plum discussed Resolution 0205 concerning freely available documents.
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Koenig suggested that the list of changes for TC1 be given a document number and be made a freely available document.  Plum was concerned that it would be inappropriate to make the change list an official, numbered document, as it is expected that the document would consist of about 250 pages, and this would be particularly awkward for subscribers to the hardcopy mailings.
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Plum recalled that a previous plan had been to issue two documents; a revised standard and a "changes and context" document.  Koenig suggested that the "changes and context" document could not itself be the TC.  Koenig observed that the change bars that had been planned for the "changes and context" document cannot, by themselves, provide complete information to the reader about the changes to the IS that the TC prescribes.  Plum then noted that it has been agreed that the TC would consist of three parts, the "changes and context" document, the LWG issues list, and the CWG issues list with a revision to reflect the resolution of issue 209.
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Plum noted that SC22 has requested a rationale for the publication of the TC as a revision of the standard, rather than a list of corrections.  Plum drafted the following rationale:
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"The corrected reprint will be more useful, the corrections would affect the index, and there are a substantial number of changes."
<p>
There was unanimous agreement that this rationale should be forwarded to SC22.
<p>
The ballot for the Performance TR has begun.

<h4>
2.2.2 SC22/WG11 (Binding Techniques) report
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[defer to Monday session]

<h4>
2.2.3 SC22/WG14 (C) report
</h4>
[ defer to Monday session]

<h4>
2.2.4 SC22/WG15 (POSIX) report
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Goldthwaite reported that ISO has approved the POSIX standard, and it is expected that it will be published in November.

<h4>
2.2.5 SC22/WG20 (Internationalization) report
</h4>
[ defer to Monday session]

<h2>
3. New business
</h2>

<h4>
Defect Report procedures
</h4>

<h4>
Status of RR and TC
</h4>

<h4>
Future meeting schedules
</h4>
<ul>
<li>April 6-11, Oxford</li>
<li>October 19-24, Kona</li>
</ul>
We have had four offers to host the Spring 2004 meeting, but only one of them was made in writing.  The one written offer has been made by Dinkumware, Ltd to host the Spring 2004 meeting in Sydney, Australia.
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Microsoft and Bill Seymour have both expressed interest in hosting the Fall 2004 meeting, in Redmond and St. Louis, respectively.
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Canada would like to host the Fall 2005 meeting, tentatively in Sydney NS, to co-locate with the SC22 plenary.  This meeting would be held in September.

<h4>
Performance TR status and planning
</h4>
The Performance TR is now in registration ballot.  Simonsen advised that the registration ballot precludes us from altering the document while the ballot remains in progress.  So a new revision of the Performance TR cannot be issued until the ballot period has concluded.

<h4>
Planning five-year decision: revise or reaffirm
</h4>
Plum reports that we have already been approved to revise.

<h4>
Library TR status and planning
</h4>
Sutter asked whether the Library should be merged into the five-year revision.  Austern responded that a useful library document could be prepared within a year.  Austern suggested that there was some question as to whether the document should be balloted for publication as a TR by that point, or whether it should remain an internal committee document.

<h4>
Press release planning
</h4>
No progress has been made with respect to the drafting of a press release about the TC.

<h2>
4. Review and approve resolutions and issues
</h2>

<h2>
5. Closing process
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<h3>
5.1 Select chair for next meeting
</h3>
Sutter was selected to chair the next meeting by unanimous consent.

<h3>
5.2 Establish next agenda
</h3>
The agenda for the next meeting will be the same as for this meeting, except that the item titled "Press release planning" will be removed.
<p>
This agenda was approved by unanimous consent.

<h3>
5.3 Future meetings
</h3>
The Oxford meeting will be held April 6-11, 2003
Glassborow reported on arrangements.
<p>
The Kona meeting will be held during October of 2003.
<p>
The following meeting will be held during April of 2004.

<h3>
5.4 Future mailings
</h3>
Will be covered tomorrow

<h3>
5.5 Assign document numbers
</h3>
None.

<h3>
5.6 Review action items
</h3>
Plum will respond to Matthew Deane at SC22 with our rationale for publishing a revised standard.

<h3>
5.7 Any other business
</h3>
None.

<h3>
5.8 Thanks to host
</h3>
The hosts were thanked.  Applause.

<h3>
5.9 Adjournment
</h3>
Meeting was adjourned by unanimous consent.
<p>
Meeting adjourned at 19:12 PST.

