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                                        Doc No:   SC22/WG21/N1790
                                                  J16/05-0050
                                        Date:     2005-04-10
                                        Project:  JTC1.22.32
                                        Reply to: Robert Klarer
                                                  IBM Canada, Ltd.
                                                  klarer@ca.ibm.com
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<h1>
Minutes of ISO WG21 Meeting, April 10, 2005
</h1>

<h2>1. Opening and introductions</h2>

Sutter called the meeting to order at 16:00(GMT+1:00) on April 10, 2005. Seven countries were represented.

<h3>1.1 Welcome from host</h3>

<p>
Simonsen, speaking on behalf of Standards Norway, discussed arrangements for this meeting.
</p>
<p>
ADSL service was provided by RAP.  DKUUG provided a projector.  Dinkumware, particularly Chris Walker provided the network and Wiki for the meeting.
</p>

<h3>1.2 Roll call of technical experts</h3>

<table border=1>
<tr>
<th>
Name
</th>
<th>
Country
</th>
<th>
HOD?
</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Steve Adamczyk
</td>
<td>
USA
</td>
<td>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Pete Becker
</td>
<td>
USA
</td>
<td>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Walter Brown
</td>
<td>
USA
</td>
<td>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Steve Clamage
</td>
<td>
USA
</td>
<td>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Gabriel Dos Reis
</td>
<td>
France
</td>
<td>
Yes
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Francis Glassborow
</td>
<td>
(WG14 liaison)
</td>
<td>
</td> 
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Lois Goldthwaite
</td>
<td>
UK 
</td>
<td>
Yes
</td> 
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Seiji Hayashida
</td>
<td>
Japan
</td>
<td>
Yes
</td> 
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Robert Klarer
</td>
<td>
Canada
</td>
<td>
Yes
</td> 
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Dietmar K&uuml;hl
</td>
<td>
Germany
</td>
<td>
Yes
</td> 
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Clark Nelson
</td>
<td>
USA
</td>
<td>
Yes
</td> 
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Thorsten Ottosen
</td>
<td>
Denmark &amp; UK
</td>
<td>
Yes (Denmark)
</td> 
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Tana Plauger
</td>
<td>
USA
</td>
<td>
</td> 
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Keld Simonsen
</td>
<td>
Norway
</td>
<td>
Yes
</td> 
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Terje Sletteb&oslash;
</td>
<td>
UK
</td>
<td>
</td> 
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Bjarne Stroustrup
</td>
<td>
USA
</td>
<td>
</td> 
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Herb Sutter
</td>
<td>
(Convenor)
</td>
<td>
</td> 
</tr>
</table>

<h3>1.3 Adopt agenda</h3>

Agenda adopted by unanimous consent.

<h3>1.4 Select drafting committee.</h3>

Adamczyk, K&uuml;hl, and Brown were named to the drafting committee.

<h3>1.5 Approve minutes from last meeting</h3>

Approved by unanimous consent.

<h3>1.6 Review action items from previous meeting</h3>

Action item for Nelson: review the list of reflector subscribers to identify individuals who no longer qualify for access to the reflectors and ask them if they want to remain subscribers.  This item remains open.  Nelson will get the subscriber list from Koenig and compare that with the membership list.

<h2>2. Status, liaison, and action item reports</h2>

<h3>2.1 Small group status reports</h3>

<h4>Library Working Group (LWG)</h4>
<p>
Hinnant will assume the role of chair of the LWG from Austern.
</p>
<p>
Nelson asked whether Austern will remain Project Editor to TR1 and TR2.
Sutter responded that he will check with Austern.
</p>

<h4>Core Working Group (CWG)</h4>

Adamczyk reported that the CWG intended to process DRs and to work with the EWG at this meeting, as usual.

<h4>Evolution Working Group (EWG)</h4>

<h3>2.2 Liaison Reports</h3>

<h4>2.2.1 SC22 report</h4>
Sutter reports:
<ul>
<li>
there has been no SC22 plenary since the last meeting of WG21
</li>
<li>
WG21 currently has two items at ballot: the Performance and Library TRs
</li>
<li>
the Performance TR hasn't yet passed final DTR ballot yet, this balloting period will commence soon.
</li>
<li>
the Library TR has just completed its PDTR ballot on April 6th; results of the ballot have not yet been received, but are expected this week
</li>
</ul>

<h4>2.2.2 SC22/WG14 (C) report</h4>
deferred to Monday session

<h4>2.2.3 TG5 (C++ CLI) report</h4> 
deferred to Monday session

<h3>3. New Business</h3>
<h4>3.1 Defect Report procedures</h4>
Sutter advised that, at future meetings, this agenda item will be deferred to the Monday session.

<h4>3.2 Library TR status and planning</h4>
To be deferred to Monday, since neither Hinnant nor Austern is present.

<h4>Organize evening sessions</h4>
No evening sessions were organized.

<h3>4. Review and approve resolutions and issues</h3>

<h2>5. Closing process</h2>
<h3>5.1 Establish next agenda</h3>

<h3>5.2 Future meetings</h3>
<p>
October 2-7, 2005: Mont Tremblant, QC, Canada.  WG21/J16, WG14/J11, and the SC22 plenary will meet consecutively at this location.
</p>
<p>
Sutter reported that current plan is to begin Monday night and continue through Saturday.  This raises the possibility of moving the C++ meeting back to a Sunday start.  Sutter invited comment on this possibility.
</p>
<p>
Sutter will take an action item to update SD5.
</p>
<p>
Brown objected to the coincidence of the WG21 meeting with Rosh Hashannah.
Sutter expressed regret about this, but noted that it's probably far too late to correct this serious problem, since the contract with the hotel has already been signed.
</p>
<p>
The Spring 2006 meeting will be held in Berlin. Possible dates are the weeks of March 19, March 26, and April 2. Final dates will be determined by the host.
</p>
<p>
The Fall 2006 meeting will be hosted by Intel in Portland, OR or Boston, MA.
Sutter will take a straw poll to see who prefers Boston and who prefers Portland.
OOPSLA is the week of October 22nd.  WG21 will meet before or after OOPSLA, during the week of the 15th or the week of the 29th.
</p>

<h3>5.3 Future mailings</h3>
deferred to Friday session

<h3>5.4 Review action items</h3>
<h3>5.5 Other Business</h3>
<p>
We'll break up for lunch each day at 11:55am and return from lunch at 1:00pm each day.
</p>
<h3>5.6 Thank the host</h3>
<h3>5.7 Adjournment</h3>
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