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                                        Doc No:   SC22/WG21/N2267
                                                  J16/07-0127
                                        Date:     2007-05-05
                                        Project:  JTC1.22.32
                                        Reply to: Robert Klarer
                                                  IBM Canada, Ltd.
                                                  klarer@ca.ibm.com
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<h1>
Minutes of ISO WG21 Meeting, April 15, 2007
</h1>

<h2>1. Opening and introductions</h2>

Sutter called the meeting to order at 18:05(GMT) on April 15, 2007. Five countries were represented.

<h3>1.1 Welcome from host</h3>

<p>
Francis Glassborow, speaking on behalf of ACCU, discussed arrangements for this meeting.
</p>

<h3>1.2 Roll call of technical experts</h3>

<table border="1">
<tbody><tr>
<th>
Name
</th>
<th>
Country
</th>
<th>
HOD?
</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
J. Stephen Adamczyk
</td>
<td>
USA
</td>
<td>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Pete Becker
</td>
<td>
USA
</td>
<td>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Steve Clamage
</td>
<td>
USA
</td>
<td>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Gabriel Dos Reis
</td>
<td>
France
</td>
<td>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Francis Glassborow
</td>
<td>
UK
</td>
<td>
Yes
</td> 
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Barry Hedquist
</td>
<td>
USA
</td>
<td>
Yes
</td> 
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Howard Hinnant
</td>
<td>
USA
</td>
<td>
</td> 
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Lo&iuml;c Joly
</td>
<td>
France
</td>
<td>
</td> 
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Robert Klarer
</td>
<td>
Canada
</td>
<td>
Yes
</td> 
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Alisdair Meredith
</td>
<td>
UK
</td>
<td>
</td> 
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Roger Orr
</td>
<td>
UK
</td>
<td>
</td> 
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Tana Plauger
</td>
<td>
USA
</td>
<td>
</td> 
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Tom Plum
</td>
<td>
USA
</td>
<td>
</td> 
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Georges Schumacher
</td>
<td>
France
</td>
<td>
Yes
</td> 
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Bjarne Stroustrup
</td>
<td>
USA
</td>
<td>
</td> 
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Herb Sutter
</td>
<td>
(Convenor)
</td>
<td>
</td> 
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Detlef Vollmann
</td>
<td>
Switzerland
</td>
<td>
Yes
</td> 
</tr>
</tbody></table>

<h3>1.3 Adopt agenda</h3>

<p>The agenda is document <a href="http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2007/n2166.htm">J16/07-0026 = WG21/N2166</a>.</p>

<p>Agenda adopted by unanimous consent.</p>

<h3>1.4 Select drafting committee.</h3>

<p>Adamczyk, Dos Reis, and Hinnant were named to the drafting committee.</p>

<h3>1.5 Approve minutes from last meeting</h3>
<p>The minutes from the last meeting are recorded in document <a href="http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2006/n2109.html">J16/06-0179 = WG21/N2109</a>.</p>
<p>Approved by unanimous consent.</p>

<h3>1.6 Review action items from previous meeting</h3>
<p>None.</p>

<h2>2. Status, liaison, and action item reports</h2>

<h3>2.1 Small group status reports</h3>

<p>deferred to Monday session.</p>

<h3>2.2 Liaison Reports</h3>

<h4>2.2.1 SC22 report</h4>
<p>There has been no plenary since Portland</p>
<p>Registration Ballot on Working Draft closes next month.  We are permitted to discuss the standard anyway.</p>
<p>The decimal TR is registered.</p>

<h4>2.2.2 SC22/WG14 (C) report</h4>

<p>deferred to Monday session.</p>

<h4>2.2.3 TG5 (C++ CLI) report</h4> 

<p>deferred to Monday session.</p>

<h4>2.2.4 Vulnerabilities OWG report</h4>

<p>deferred to Monday session.</p>

<h3>3. New Business</h3>
<h4>3.1 Defect Report procedures</h4>

<p>deferred to Monday session.</p>

<h4>3.2 Library TR status and planning</h4>

<p>deferred to Monday session.</p>

<h3>4. Review and approve resolutions and issues</h3>

<h2>5. Closing process</h2>
<h3>5.1 Establish next agenda</h3>

<p> The next agenda will be the same as this one.</p>

<h3>5.2 Future meetings</h3>

<p>July 15-20, Markham, ON.<br>
Monday through Friday.  Full groups only.
</p>

<p> September 30 - Oct 5, Kona HI.<br>
Oct 6 is also available for a Saturday session.  This will not be a full J16 meeting.
</p>

<h4>The next meeting</h4>
<p>Meredith expressed concern that there will be no updated Working Draft following the July meeting.</p>
<p>Hinnant noted that if we have an unofficial meeting, then he would like to see a summary paper, as has been done for the Fermilab LWG meeting.</p>
<p>Becker suggested a procedure:
the Project Editor can make an unofficial Working Draft reflecting the modifications to the text that the committee has approved in principle, but not yet formally moved and accepted.</p>
<p>Sutter noted that another option is a letter ballot, though that is not a preferable option.</p>
<p>Hedquist reminded Sutter that a letter ballot is inadvisable because it is a long process. Sutter agreed</p>
<p>Discussion ensued.</p>
<p>Plum suggested that a less risky alternative would be to ensure that the result of the Toronto meeting was essentially a proposal from LWG and a proposal from CWG.  Formal voting on both proposals would occur at the Kona meeting.</p>
<p>More discussion ensued.</p>
<p>Adamczyk spoke in favor of declaring the July meeting an official J16 meeting.</p>
<p>Clamage reported that is still possible to declare the July meeting an official J16 meeting, though it would have been nice to have given more notice.</p>
<p>Plum observed that we can excuse members that failed to attend the July meeting, so that their voting rights will not be affected.</p>
<p>Klarer promised to look into room arrangements in Toronto that would allow the committee to meet in full session.</p>

<h4>Following meetings</h4>
<p>Sutter expressed a desire to convene three meetings in 2008.</p>
<p>Plum asked how that plan affects the ballot schedule</p>
<p>Sutter explained that the only ballot that can potentially be affected is the CD ballot, which is a 90-day ballot, so it is likely to be complete prior to the spring 2008 meeting.</p> 

<h3>5.3 Future mailings</h3>

<p>deferred to Friday session.</p>

<h3>5.4 Review action items</h3>
<p>
There are no outstanding action items.
</p>

<h3>5.5 Any other Business</h3>
<p>
None.
</p>

<h3>5.6 Thanks to host</h3>
<p>
See Friday session.
</p>
<h3>5.7 Recess</h3>
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